What is 0

[Metal Flame]

Well I was just thinking about numbers and stuff, and remembered my math teacher last year saying the number 0 is not a number because it has no value. But if it is a number, then that also means the number 1 is the second number in the timeline of numbers.

So what do you think? Is 0 a real number or is it not just because it has no value? And if it is real, does that make the number 1 the second number?

[muxxor]

0 is a term we apply to the absence of....stuff.

It's like "black". Technically, that word refers to an absence of light.
Is it a color? I'm not sure. I guess it depends on how you want to define it.

[ShadowsofYesterday]

Zero represents nothingness. It's hard to explain, but your teacher is right. It IS a number, but it has no value, thus making one the first real number.

[OGrilla]

0 is a term we apply to the absence of....stuff.

It's like "black". Technically, that word refers to an absence of light.
Is it a color? I'm not sure. I guess it depends on how you want to define it.
Exactly the analogy I was going to use. I don't think it's a number, for the same reason black isn't a color.

[ShadowsofYesterday]

Black is a color. It's what's known as a neutral color, along with the rest of the grayscale and sepia tones.

[DragonBreath]

0 is well 0, I mean it means nothing at all, like nothing exsits, whats weird is 0 means nothing but they put in 100 to show it is a lot,

[de- masta game]

yes, 0 may be nothing, but without it, nothing will be nothing you wont have 10, 20, 30, 40, and so-on so 0 is something, if it wasn't we probably wouldn't exist.

[DragonBreath]

yeah this is a cosmic thread man,

[OGrilla]

Black is a color. It's what's known as a neutral color, along with the rest of the grayscale and sepia tones.

Black is the absence of light and therefore color. It may be included in color charts or whatever, but as far as the actual color black, it just doesn't exist.

[de- masta game]

Yeah, creeping me out, so If 0 stands for nothing, we stand for nothing, if we stand for nothing, 0 stands for nothing, its an endless cycle, and if we somehow did stand for something, we wouldn't have 10s,100s,1000s, so on well... maybe not so bad
imagine 111,111,111.11
1 would stand for 0

[DragonBreath]

this thread makes my head hurt

[de- masta game]

every number would have taken the place of 0 if 0 stands for nothing, and thats a bad thing people... I will explain that when we get there.

[OGrilla]

You know, we did use to live without the number 0. I don't remember the year, but it was around the 400-600 A.D. range whenever people living near the Indus river "invented/discovered" the number 0. Everyone used to just count what was physically there, and nobody needed to take mathematics in school, so they had no reason for something that symbolized nothing.

[de- masta game]

AWSOME!! no math! my most hated of all subjects... go on.

[OGrilla]

AWSOME!! no math! my most hated of all subjects... go on.
About what? That was all, really...

[de- masta game]

Oh... yeah I was gonna say something about jesus... So like now, the world revolves around zero, ok, understand.

[Metal Flame]

Well Black is actually a color, the same yeah white is, even though white represents light, which is the absense of darkness.....what? Anyways....0 I think is a number, and 0 is.....wow, thats hard to explain.

[muxxor]

Sheesh, most of you guys are making random posts based on retarded, twisted "facts" from other similarly misguided posts.

Like, someone says that "zero" was discovered in some year and the next person says "Yay no math!"

Wtf is going on?

[.Amaurosis.]

I think the number 0 is just a place holder.

[Fretspider]

My brain doesnt have the ability to think that deep.

=(

[Metal Flame]

Sheesh, most of you guys are making random posts based on retarded, twisted "facts" from other similarly misguided posts.

Like, someone says that "zero" was discovered in some year and the next person says "Yay no math!"

Wtf is going on?

Yeah, that "Zero" was discovered by whoever crap, I don't believe, but I do think 0 is a number, and just because he has no value doesn't mean anything.

[Ustartin]

Black is a tone. I go with SOY's comment on 0.

[Cromwell]

The number zero is a figure representing nothing. in the number 100, there is nothing in the ones place, there is nothing in the tens place and there is 1 in the hundreds place. the number 0 allows us to do math in a more easier and less writing way.

It is a number representing nothing, but just because it represents nothing, doesn't mean it's nothing. the word "nothing" represents well... nothing. does that mean it's not a word?

So, 0 is a number. Just don't think about it any furthur then that. Just let 0 do what it does and not think of it any further

[Jokerboy719]

0 Is waz it called oh yea nothing to me

[de- masta game]

0 is a term that stands for nothing, but even nothing is something, 0 is the most important number, even more important than 1

[Jokerboy719]

True u are right

[OGrilla]

When I said 0 was discovered in the 400-600 A.D. range, I meant the actual written form of it was. It wasn't actually discovered, it was "invented" kind of. The people in the Indus River Valley used it for the first time in math calculations then and they found out how to do more complex equations.
TheGreeks, Romans and all other civilizations that were advanced enough to do that type of math were only using what we call natural numbers. They used from 1 to infinity. Now that we have zero, though we can represent values less than nothing, which kind of makes 0 a number. I still don't agree with it being a number of value, just a way of representing the fact that a container is empty and things like that.

[V.Valentine]

I've always thought 0 was a symbol/figure to replace the space between -1 and 1.
Thus making 0 a representative of emptiness or a number with no value.

[OGrilla]

Edzachary what most of the other posters have said. :)

[Cromwell]

It's just what you put in numbers when no other number 1-9 belongs in that place value.

[V.Valentine]

Edzachary what most of the other posters have said. :)
except for the fact that my post is more logical.

[OGrilla]

Yeah, your post does explain it a little more logically than ours do.

[Hermit Solmu]

The only thing that I find weird about zero is that in many places, it is unreachable.

This one gets me yelled at when I explain it to my friends, but here goes. Hold your finger about an inch away from your desk. We'll call the distance between the two things '1 unit'. Now move it about halfway closer. '.5 units', right? Now keep going closer. The distance can always get smaller, right? You can always add one more '0' to the decimal. '.01 units', '.001 units'...

So, in essence, can you touch the desk?

EDIT: And I think zero is a number. It was made up by whoever made up the counting system. It's just a way of saying none.

[Cromwell]

It seems mine have gone ignored....

[Cromwell]

Yes you can touch the desk. just go ahead and touch it. 0 can be reached by measuring the distance as 0 because there is no space(0 space) between you and your desk

[OGrilla]

The only thing that I find weird about zero is that in many places, it is unreachable.

This one gets me yelled at when I explain it to my friends, but here goes. Hold your finger about an inch away from your desk. We'll call the distance between the two things '1 unit'. Now move it about halfway closer. '.5 units', right? Now keep going closer. The distance can always get smaller, right? You can always add one more '0' to the decimal. '.01 units', '.001 units'...

So, in essence, can you touch the desk?

EDIT: And I think zero is a number. It was made up by whoever made up the counting system. It's just a way of saying none.
To elaborate onto Cromwell's post, you can't reach the desk using that method. Other methods will work however, especially in the higher, more advanced forms of math.

[Hermit Solmu]

Yes you can touch the desk. just go ahead and touch it. 0 can be reached by measuring the distance as 0 because there is no space(0 space) between you and your desk
But can't you keep on getting less and less distance between your finger and the desk?

[Hydrogen]

Yes you can touch the desk. just go ahead and touch it. 0 can be reached by measuring the distance as 0 because there is no space(0 space) between you and your desk
There is though. You touch the electrons on the desk, not the desk itself.

And Tomo, I just did a paper on that, it's called the diversive infinity theory. It states that every time you have a verifiable distance between two objects, there are infinite points on that line.

Some intresting stuff.

[Cromwell]

In other words, this discussion is pointless. 0 is a number that represents nothing, and replaces any number 1-9 that does not belong in that place value.

[OGrilla]

Using the method of halving the distance, yes. But if you were to use some other method such as using the equations in advanced physics and other areas like it, you can theorize a way to diminish the distance enough to reach 0.

EDIT:
Sorry, didn't post fast enough.

[Cromwell]

Just subtract the total distance from the total, and it will reach 0 easy enough.

[Tibi]

Really, what is there to debate? Zero is just the only number without a value. What's the mystery about it?

[OGrilla]

That's cheating! Lol...

[Cromwell]

anything goes in math as long as it abides with the laws of math. 1+1=2 1-1=0

[de- masta game]

0 is the basis of all numbers, its most important, as I said before, everything equals it, so thats all their is to say.

[OGrilla]

0 is the basis of all numbers, its most important, as I said before, everything equals it, so thats all their is to say.
...?
Everything what?
You are about dumb. How does everyth... and the... whatever.

[stickfanatic666]

0 = nothing... just a symbol representing the absence of something or the presence of nothing. The end...

[Dudeman]

0 is a foundation number. #1 is still the first number, because zero is only there to complete mathematics.

Math would be incomplete without 0, like negatives. Example: -2 is not really -2, it is 0-2.

[HBZ]

0 is not a real number.

Nothing does not exist, nothing is what we make it.

When you stare in the air what do you see? Nothing... but does that mean nothing is there?

0 is what we make it, therefore it dosen't actually exist but within our minds to create it as a image of "Nothingness"

[stickfanatic666]

0 is not a real number.

Nothing does not exist, nothing is what we make it.

When you stare in the air what do you see? Nothing... but does that mean nothing is there?

0 is what we make it, therefore it dosen't actually exist but within our minds to create it as a image of "Nothingness"

that makes about this much sense > [ ] That isn't much...

[Exilement]

Zero can be applied to amounts just as other numbers.

Thus, it's a number.

[HBZ]

that makes about this much sense > [ ] That isn't much...

Not really if you think about it.

Think of zero representing nothing... but is their really nothing?

Zero is a real number in the sense of math.

The actual number zero used to explain "nothing" doesn't.

[Exilement]

Is there really nothing? Yes.

You're saying that there's no such thing as nothing.

This is a stupid topic. Zero is a number in itself because it can represent the value of nothing.

"While mathematicians all accept zero as a number, some others would say that zero is not a number, arguing one cannot have zero of something. Others hold that if you have zero dollars in your bank account, you have a specific quantity of money in your account, namely none. It is that latter view which is accepted by mathematicians and most others."

Wikit.

[HBZ]

If Wiki says it, it's thereby true.

[Dark Angel 137]

0 may or may not be a number, for me it s simply something that defines other numbers just as black is there as an absence of light or blank space and only exists to be filled.

[JJJ]

It is a number. I mean, 1000 is a number, and without the three zeros it would only have a value of one.

[MFTiger]

It is a number. I mean, 1000 is a number, and without the three zeros it would only have a value of one.


We're talking about the number 0 not any numbers with 0 in them dumb dumb -_-

[stickfanatic666]

Not really if you think about it.

Think of zero representing nothing... but is their really nothing?

Zero is a real number in the sense of math.

The actual number zero used to explain "nothing" doesn't.

zero isnt a number in math, can't think of the name for it though lol.

[Cromwell]

zero represents nothing.

it is used to fill in a place value of an number where the numbers 1-9 do not belong.

in the number 1,000. the ones place value has a zero because no other number 1-9 belongs there. it's the same for the tens and hundreds area. since the thousands place value has a 1, the number is named as ONE thousand, because there is a 1 in the thousands place value.

in the number 11,000 the same applies there is a 1 in the thousands place value and a 1 in the ten thousands place value. and zeros in the ones- hundreds place value. the number is called eleven thousand

this rule applied to ALL numbers. without zero, we would not be able to do the math in this way and would be using roman numerals or something else instead.

So, zero is an important part of math today. eventhough it represents nothing, without it, we cannot use modern math as we know it.

[Spooned]

It depends on where the number "0" is used and how it's used. The number "0" means the absence of a number, but sometimes it can be described as the begnning of something, such as the year.

[Cromwell]

year 2006 the abriviation is 06.

same rule applies.

there is a 2 in the thousands colum signifying that there are TWO thousands. there is a 0 in the hundreds and tens place values. and there is a 6 in the ones place signifying that there is SIX ones.

two thousand(s) and six(ones)

the abreviation 06 is just a shortened version of the year number. six in the ones place and zero in the tens.

[Ordinair]

0 is not a rational number. But when you start talking about values and stuff, 0 is a number because something's value can be 0 or even a negative number. I think they are called irrational numbers.

I forget, I had it written in my math notebook somewhere.

[Cromwell]

I don't think anyone is listening to me....

[Exilement]

Isn't zero, in math, called null?

I don't know. I still think this is a really stupid topic. 0 represents nothing, and to say 0 does not exist means the state of nothingness does not exist.

[Spooned]

0 doesn't always represent nothing. What Cromwell is saying is that "0" can be part of the tens or hundreds column. For example, you can't have the number ten without a zero.

[PvtRyan]

I dunno if anyone has caught this yet, but I guess I will. There is no such thing as darkness. Darkness cannot be measured, since you are measuring light. The term "dark" is merely used to describe an absence of light. The same goes for 0. "0" is just used to describe a lack of value. Hence, zero is not a number perse, but rather an explanation for what is not there. If zero is in the ones column (10), it shows a lack of value for that area. There is value in the tens, just not the ones. This lack of value is represented by the numeral 0. The same goes for the number 1000. There is no value in the hundreds, tens, or ones columns. Hence, the desegnator for lack of value is used to hold the place. /mathematicalandpsychologicalrant

[FrAnKeH]

What is 0? So full of care, We have no time to stand and stare.
Discover Wales.

[Cromwell]

I dunno if anyone has caught this yet, but I guess I will. There is no such thing as darkness. Darkness cannot be measured, since you are measuring light. The term "dark" is merely used to describe an absence of light. The same goes for 0. "0" is just used to describe a lack of value. Hence, zero is not a number perse, but rather an explanation for what is not there. If zero is in the ones column (10), it shows a lack of value for that area. There is value in the tens, just not the ones. This lack of value is represented by the numeral 0. The same goes for the number 1000. There is no value in the hundreds, tens, or ones columns. Hence, the desegnator for lack of value is used to hold the place. /mathematicalandpsychologicalrant

that's what I've been %@*!'n saying for the past 6 pages!!!!

[Oonasaroo]

i not know :cool:

[Spooned]

0 doesn't always represent nothing. What Cromwell is saying is that "0" can be part of the tens or hundreds column. For example, you can't have the number ten without a zero.

DUDE WTF I DID NOT POST THAT. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON???

edit: oh wait.. 2006. Ahhh...

[Myself]

Wow ****

Nice Bump

[Dragon⁰⁷⁷]

How the hell does stuff like this get bumped so bad?